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Непрочетено мнение от Moss » вт мар 10, 2009 7:19 am

154 000 часа са налетели 95 самолета за 27 години.
60 часа средно за самолет на година, като са ходили и на война...

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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » ср мар 11, 2009 12:33 am

Само не пише колко самолета са загубили през годините. Нищо чудно да са поне 20. Часовете на година по тази линия може да нараснат.
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Непрочетено мнение от Moss » чет мар 12, 2009 12:54 am

В България май имаше 6 паднали БН-а, което е 1/6 от получените. Та за индийците 20 самолета ми се струва минимума ( да са живи и здрави! )

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Непрочетено мнение от tu-134 » чет мар 12, 2009 5:11 am

А като гледам колко Миг-21 са изгубили 20 броя звучи справедливо.

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Непрочетено мнение от борден » чет мар 12, 2009 9:31 pm

Изпускайки "дермократичните" години (защото не са представителни), българските МиГ-23БН (36 самолета) налитат 51623 часа от 1977 г. до края на 1993 г. Имайки предвид, че 12 самолета са доставени средата на 1981 г., и загубените в експлоатацията самолети - излиза че българските ВВС са експлоатирали своите изтребител-бомбардировачи съ средна наработка 97-98 часа на самолет на година. Напълно нормални числа!
През "пиковата" 1981 г. - 5120 часа - по 15 часа на самолет на месец.

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Непрочетено мнение от Moss » пет мар 13, 2009 12:52 am

А защо 1981 е толкова "пикова". От посочените числа следва, че през 1981 са налетели 2 пъти повече от средното.

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Непрочетено мнение от gig » пет мар 13, 2009 10:10 am

Moss написа:А защо 1981 е толкова "пикова". От посочените числа следва, че през 1981 са налетели 2 пъти повече от средното.
Може би заради подготовката за Щит-82.
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Непрочетено мнение от Moss » пет мар 13, 2009 11:37 am

Очевидно, ама два пъти повече от средното през 80-те е твърде голяма разлика. Ако през 81-82 са летели по 180 часа то следващите явно по 60-тина. Явно се искало да се представят добре.

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Непрочетено мнение от Сашо » пет апр 17, 2009 11:40 am

Развитие на събитията в индийския изтребителен конкурс за 126 самолета. Изключен от списъка на кандидатите е френският боен самолет "Рафал", като неотговарящ на изискванията. Повече подробности няма. В надпреварата остават МиГ-35, F-16, F/A-18E/F, Грипен и Евроизтребителя.

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17 апреля, AVIA.RU – Индия исключила многоцелевой истребитель Rafale производства французской компании Dassault Aviation из тендера ВВС страны на поставку 126 истребителей,- сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на Agence France Presse.
По словам источника в Министерстве обороны Индии, французский истребитель не отвечает требованиям ВВС страны, поэтому он исключен из конкурса. Данный вывод был сделан по результатам технической оценки претендента, хотя испытания истребителей пока не начались.
На данный момент, помимо выбывшей Dassault Aviation, в нем участвуют пять авиастроительных компаний из разных стран. Это шведская SAAB с истребителем Gripen, российская корпорация "МиГ" с Миг-35, европейский концерн EADS с Eurofighter Typhoon, а также американские Boeing и Lockheed Martin, представившие для участия в тендере самолеты F/A-18E/F и F-16C/D соответственно,- сообщает агентство.

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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » вт апр 21, 2009 12:56 am

Ето и подробности - висока цена и несъответствие с изискванията. Интересно.

France's Dassault out of Indian fighter deal

NEW DELHI (AFP) — India has decided not to buy Rafale fighters from French firm Dassault Aviation as part of a 12-billion-dollar upgrade of its air force, an Indian defence ministry official said Thursday.

The official said Dassault, one of six contenders in the race for a share of the mammoth contract, had failed to meet India's technical requirements and the aircraft were too expensive.

"The Rafale is out of the race for the tender process, because during the technical evaluation the company did not meet all the user requirements," said the senior ministry official, who was speaking on condition he not be named.

He also cited "the relatively higher cost of the aircraft," adding: "The reasons will be officially communicated to the company very soon."

"Dassault cannot submit fresh proposals or offer any other variants for technical evaluation, and is permanently out of the race. We now have one less bidder in the process," the official told AFP.

Industry sources have said that US-based Lockheed Martin, offering the F-16, and Boeing with its F-18 "Superhornet" have emerged as front-runners in bidding for the 12-billion-dollar, 126-jet contract.

The European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company has offered its Typhoon Eurofighter, while Russian manufacturers of the MiG-35 and MiG-29, as well as Sweden's Saab, which makes the Gripen fighter, are also in the running.

A Dassault spokesman said the firm had not been informed it was out of the running.

"Up to now, GIE Rafale International (a consortium of Dassault, engine maker Snecma and electronics firm Thales) has not received any such information from the Indian authorities," the spokesman said.

The Indian military issued the request for proposals to six short-listed global aviation giants in August 2007 and the companies submitted their bids last year.

The contract includes the outright purchase of 18 fighter jets by 2012 with another 108 to be built in India under a "transfer of technology agreement."

India also wants the option to buy 64 more jets.

India, the biggest buyer of military hardware among emerging nations, is expected to select fighters from at least two different firms.

So-called "hot and cold" tests of the contenders -- involving the jets being put through their paces high in the Himalayas and also in desert conditions -- are due to start this month, defence officials said.

Former Cold War ally Russia has been the source of 70 percent of Indian military equipment, but late deliveries and commercial disagreements have pushed New Delhi towards other suppliers, including the United States, France, Britain and Israel.

India plans to spend up to 30 billion dollars by 2012 to upgrade its million-strong military.

Dassault and Thales are still negotiating a contract worth up to 1.5 billion euros (two billion dollars) to upgrade India's 51 Mirage fighters.


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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » ср апр 22, 2009 1:07 pm

Официални лица от ВВС на Индия отхвърлят твърденията на индийските вестници, че френския Rafale е отпаднал от конкурса.

Indian Air Force says Rafale still in fighter competition
DATE:20/04/09
SOURCE:Flight International
By Siva Govindasamy


The Indian Air Force has denied reports that the Dassault Rafale has been eliminated from the country’s medium multi-role combat aircraft competition.

“We have not ruled anyone out yet in the MMRCA competition,” says an IAF spokesman, who confirmed that the service is responsible for evaluating the contenders. “All of the tests have not been completed. The technical evaluations are only just over and we are scheduled to begin the flight tests next month. Everyone is still in the competition.”


Last week, several Indian newspapers reported that the Rafale was eliminated after failing the technical evaluation. When contacted, Dassault said that it is waiting for information from the French embassy in India as negotiations are conducted on a government-to-government basis. The embassy had no comment.

The aircraft was not brought to the Aero India 2009 show in Bangalore in February, leading to speculation that it was in danger of being eliminated from the competition. A senior French official, however, defended the no-show at the time saying that the country’s aircraft were required for NATO operations in Afghanistan.

Apart from the Rafale (above), the other five contenders for the $10-12 billion contract are the Boeing F/A-18E/F, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, RSK MiG-35, and Saab Gripen. India is scheduled to begin hot weather trials in May, and the aircraft will be tested in cold weather and humid conditions later in the year.

This is not the first time that the Indian media have reported that an aircraft has been eliminated from this closely watched competition. Early this year, it was reported that the Gripen had been knocked out but this was later proven untrue.

India is seeking 126 aircraft in the competition, of which 18 will be bought in fly-away condition and 108 license produced by Hindustan Aeronautics in the country. There is also an option for another 64 aircraft. The fighter chosen will replace the IAF’s RSK MiG-21s.
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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » съб май 02, 2009 9:02 pm

Индийците ме учудват.
Според материала по-долу започват сериозно да работят по Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). Отчитайки индийските темпове на работа (LCA), то може да очакваме, че самолета ще е готов към 2037 г. В същото време руснаците не спират да говорят, че индийците ще участват в ПАК-ФА (който до голяма степен е еквивалентен като концепция на MCA).

India set to build Medium Combat Aircraft
Ajai Shukla / Bangalore May 02, 2009, 0:11 IST


With India’s home-built Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) — the Tejas — flying successfully through its testing process, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has now signed up for an indigenous Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). Within days, the IAF and a team of aircraft designers will formally set up a joint committee to frame the specifications for India’s own MCA, which will be built largely in Bangalore.

The MCA’s design team will centre on the agencies that have built the LCA: the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA); the National Aeronautics Laboratory (NAL); Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL); and a host of Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) laboratories that will develop futuristic sensors and systems for the MCA.

The director of ADA, Dr PS Subramaniam, confirmed to Business Standard, “The joint committee is likely to be formed within two or three weeks. This committee will finalise what will go into the MCA, as well as the budget and development schedule.”

According to Dr Subramaniam, the programme will aim to develop the MCA and build five to six prototypes at a cost of Rs 5,000 crore. That is approximately the same amount that has gone into the LCA programme.

With this, Indian aeronautical designers will be working in all the fighter categories. In the light fighter category (10-11 tonnes), the Tejas LCA is expected to get operational clearance in 2011; the MCA will be India’s first foray into the medium fighter category (14-15 tonnes); and in the heavy fighter category (20 tonnes plus), currently ruled by the Russian Sukhoi-30MKI, Indian designers plan to partner their Russian counterparts in developing the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

Interestingly, the decision to develop an indigenous MCA comes alongside the overseas procurement of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated Rs 50,000 crore. Senior IAF planners point out that the MMRCA procurement is unavoidable for replacing the MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s that will become obsolete while the MCA is still being developed.

By 2020, when the IAF’s current fleet would have been largely phased out, MoD planners forecast a requirement for at least 250 medium fighters. This has raised hopes amongst the MMRCA contenders (the US F/A-18 and F-16, Russia’s Mig-35; the Eurofighter Typhoon; and the Swedish Gripen) that the winner could end up supplying twice as many fighters as the current tender. But a successful Indian MCA programme would cap the MMRCA procurement at 126 fighters. After that, the MCA production will kick in.

The MCA designers plan to pursue technologies superior to anything currently on offer. The ADA director points out, “None of the MMRCA contenders will be state-of-the-art in 2015-2017. But the MCA will; it will incorporate the technologies of the future, which currently feature only on the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor.”

India’s aeronautical designers see the MCA programme as crucial for taking forward the expertise that has been painstakingly accumulated in the Tejas LCA programme. The IAF is in agreement; and the Rama Rao Committee, set up for restructuring the DRDO, has recommended that programmes must be created to provide continuity for designers.

Says a senior MoD official: “With great difficulty we have built up a team that can design a complete combat aircraft. After a couple of years, when the LCA goes into production, there will be no design work left. Without another aircraft programme to work on, we will lose this team, having attained this level.”


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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » ср май 27, 2009 6:09 pm

Възобновяват полетите със Су-30МКИ след катастрофата от преди месец.

Sukhois resume flying, nearly a month after crash
25 May 2009, 1803 hrs IST, IANS


NEW DELHI: The frontline Sukhoi Su-30 MKI combat jets of the Indian Air Force have resumed flying nearly a month after the entire fleet was
grounded following the crash of one of the aircraft that broke a 12-year accident-free record, an official said.

The aircraft are again being flown even as a 20-member team of Russian experts have been conducting checkups on them.

"The aircraft conducted a sortie last weekend," a senior Indian Air Force official said, but did not elaborate.

He, however, confirmed that the Russian team summoned to inspect the fleet is carrying on with the checks, inspecting the aircrafts' airframe and systems.

The IAF grounded its fleet of approximately 55 Russian-origin Su-30s after one of the aircraft crashed last week. Generally, an entire fleet is not grounded if an aircraft of a particular type crashes. In the case of the Su-30, however, there have been "recurring complaints" by pilots about problems with the jet.


The grounding of the Su-30 fleet has given rise to the alarming possibility of "structural faults" with the aircraft.

In a blot on its otherwise unblemished record, a Su-30 MKI crashed in Jaisalmer April 30, killing the co-pilot. The pilot, Wing Commander S.V. Munje, and the co-pilot, Wing Commander P.S. Narah, managed to bail out in time but Narah was killed after he was apparently hit by the falling debris of the aircraft.

Ironically, Narah belonged to the IAF's Directorate General of Inspections and Safety and was putting the aircraft through its annual safety checks.

The aircraft had taken off from the Lohegaon air base in Pune on a routine sortie and crashed at 10.30 a.m. while returning to its base.

The IAF operates three squadrons of the jet, some of which were bought in a fly-away condition from its Russian manufacturer while the others were manufactured under licence by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

It was not immediately clear to which of these categories the crashed jet belonged.

The Su-30 has won universal acclaim from the air forces of the US, Britain and France whenever it has been fielded against them in war games. Eight Su-30s had participated in the prestigious Red Flag exercise with the US Air Force at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, last year and had more than held their own against the US' F/A-18 and F-16 combat jets.


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Непрочетено мнение от Fighterland » пон юни 29, 2009 2:21 pm

Един стар боец отива в заслужена почивка.

29 июня, AVIA.RU – Индийские ВВС окончательно расстаются с истребителями МиГ-21, на протяжении десятилетий служившими основой их ударной мощи, передает АРМС-ТАСС.

План снятия с вооружения «МиГов» рассчитан на два года. За этот период из состава ВВС будут поэтапно выведены в общей сложности свыше 150 машин. При этом самолеты модернизированной версии МиГ-21 "Бизон", еще продолжат эксплуатироваться до 2017-2018 гг.

Списание "МиГов" приведет к сокращению числа действующих эскадрилий индийских ВВС с нынешних 35 до примерно 28. Всего за период с начала 1960-х гг. индийский парк истребителей этой марки составил свыше 700 единиц. Именно на их долю приходится половина из общего количества летных часов, суммарно набранных военной авиацией страны, сообщает агентство.
На десет мили от Монтана
в посока Дунавският бряг...

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Непрочетено мнение от Сашо » пон юни 29, 2009 2:23 pm

Да, ама само за немодернизираните, от древни варианти на МиГ-21 производство 70-те години, пак много са изкрали (и всички не са паднали досега).
Модернизираният "Бизон" (МиГ-21бис) остава да носи службата още 8-9 години.

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Да, и аз предположих така. Може би основно ФЛ-тата, както и остатъците от бис-а (където ги има :? )...
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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » пет юли 17, 2009 2:11 pm

Индийците се оплакват от Р-77.

Nearly half of Russian air-to-air missiles with IAF have homing, ageing problems: CAG report
Тhursday , Jul 16, 2009 at 0303 hrs New Delhi


Putting a big question mark on the performance of the Russian beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missiles with the Indian Air Force, an audit report by the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has noted that nearly half the missiles tested either did not home in on targets during evaluations or failed ground tests because they were ageing much before their shelf lives.

The R 77 (RVV-AE) BVR missiles, fitted on board the Su-30 MKIs, MiG-29s and MiG-21 Bisons, were bought from Russia starting 1996. More than 2,000 missiles were ordered after the Kargil conflict and 1,000 have been delivered.

The CAG report, which will be released soon, is based on evaluations of the missile — its range is close to 90 km — during ground tests, inspections and test firing by the IAF. The missiles were bought at a “cost of Rs 2 crore each” but their failure during tests, says the CAG report, has affected the “operational preparedness” of the IAF.

“All figures in the report are based on air force records. Everything is verified by the IAF,” an official said.

The problem with the missiles was referred to Russia and several teams subsequently visited India to rectify faults. IAF officers familiar with the missiles confirmed that this has been a problem area for long. “It is a known fact that the missiles do not work as we would like them to. Periodic tests that are carried out when they are in storage show their dismal state. We also have problems with spare parts,” said a retired officer who was closely associated with the matter.

Former Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy said: “When the missiles were bought, they were top of the line, world class systems that no other country had. As we did not have our own testing facilities, they had to be tested in Russia. The question to be asked is whether the government approved testing facilities for the missiles in India.”

The IAF has for long enjoyed an edge over Pakistan due to its inventory of BVR air-to-air missiles. In an article on the Pakistani side of the Kargil war — it was published in The Indian Express — the then PAF Director (Operations) Kaiser Tufail admitted that the presence of the BVR missiles with the IAF kept away the Pakistani F-16s from disrupting aerial bombing being carried out by India near the Line of Control.


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Непрочетено мнение от Moss » пет юли 17, 2009 4:02 pm

Tiия индийци, какво са им правили на МиГ-29, че имат з а тях Р-77?

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Непрочетено мнение от Iskander_ss » пет юли 17, 2009 5:18 pm

Може да става въпрос за нeдоглеждане. Mig-29SMT може да носи Р-77, но индииците нямат от тази модигикация
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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » съб юли 18, 2009 5:15 pm

Moss написа:Tiия индийци, какво са им правили на МиГ-29, че имат з а тях Р-77?
Може би имат предвид МиГ-29К в бъдеще време.
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