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Непрочетено мнение от Марко Марков » вт май 27, 2008 6:50 pm

За проблеми около Eurofighter Typhoon съобщи flightglobal.com
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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » чет юни 19, 2008 12:51 pm

Немските Eurofighter застъпват бойно дежурство:

Luftwaffe Eurofighters – Now Ready To Go At Any Time
(Source: EADS; dated June 13, web-posted June 16, 2008)


Since 3 June, Eurofighter combat aircraft of Fighter Wing 74 (JG 74) at Neuburg have officially been on constant alert for air policing tasks in the Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) role. From Thursday, 12 June they have replaced the F-4F Phantom II aircraft deployed up to now, which have been decommissioned at JG 74 with a formal ceremony held at the base. A further important step in the process of bringing the new weapon system Eurofighter into service with the German Air Force has thus been taken, EADS Defence & Security, a partner in the Eurofighter programme, has announced.

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Since 3 June, Eurofighter combat aircraft of the Luftwaffe’s JG 74 at Neuburg have replaced the F-4F Phantom in the Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) role. (EADS photo)

Since the first Eurofighters landed in Neuburg on 25 July 2006, flight operations at JG 74 have increasingly been transferred to these new fourth-generation combat aircraft. From January 2008, this constant readiness has been successfully put to the test by deploying operational QRA formations.

A QRA formation consists of two armed aircraft which, in the event of an alert, can be in the air within just a few minutes – thus complying with the reaction times laid down by NATO. These aircraft can be on station for an air policing assignment within an extremely short time, being ready for takeoff around the clock. JG 74 is responsible for air surveillance and security tasks in the Federal Republic of Germany's southern airspace, including the sectors bordering Austria and Switzerland.

Eurofighter is particularly suitable for such assignments, being specially designed for quick reaction tasks. The takeoff distance prescribed for aircraft in the air policing configuration is a mere 300 metres. Eurofighter's powerful engines can take the aircraft to an altitude of roughly 39,000 feet – and thus above civil flight levels – in just 90 seconds. Its sensors with data processing directly in the cockpit provide the pilot with a constant comprehensive overview of wide areas of the surrounding airspace. The situation picture is complemented by data links from Eurofighter to other military aircraft and ground radar stations. Through the Eurofighter system, the pilot is able to detect and identify manned and unmanned aircraft by day and night in all weathers and operational conditions and at all altitudes, and in an air emergency – due for example to failure of the intercepted aircraft's on-board navigation and radio systems – provide such an aircraft with assistance or escort it to a designated airfield.

Four of the five nations deploying the aircraft up to now have already set up Eurofighter QRA formations. In late 2005, for example, Italy integrated the aircraft into its air defences, thus securing its airspace through Eurofighter flight operations, starting with the 2006 Winter Olympics. The United Kingdom started to deploy Eurofighter permanently in this role in July 2007. Since the present month, also Germany and Austria have begun using the aircraft to secure their airspace. Spain is currently preparing to deploy its Eurofighters on air policing assignments in the near future.

Military Air Systems is an industrial partner in the four-nation Eurofighter programme, with responsibility for final assembly of the 180 aircraft destined for the German Air Force. Military Air Systems in Germany is responsible for producing all centre fuselage sections in the programme, for which the order book currently comprises 702 aircraft. Military Air Systems in Spain is manufacturing all right-hand wings and assembling the 87 aircraft for the Spanish Air Force. Up to now, 147 aircraft have been delivered to the partner nations UK, Germany, Italy, Spain and the first export customer Austria.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon

Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » съб юли 26, 2008 6:38 pm

И испанските Еurofighter са застъпили бойно дежурство.
Така машината носи дежурство във всички държави, които са я закупили.

Eurofighter Typhoon now on QRA Duty in Five Air Forces
24 July 2008


The Spanish Air Force has announced the assignment of Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) responsibilities to Eurofighter Typhoon. All five customer Air Forces now operate the weapon system in the air defence role, with Spain following the leads of Germany, Italy, United Kingdom and Austria in deploying their newest weapon system to the first line of defence.

As of 17 July 2008, Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft are working in complement with Mirage F-1s and F-18s in securing Spanish airspace, fulfilling the role out of Morón AFB.

Commenting on the announcement, Aloysius Rauen, Eurofighter CEO, stated: “In a little over six weeks, three customer Air Forces have declared Eurofighter Typhoon operational for QRA tasks. Five Air Forces now deliver an unmatched air defence capability, bolstering national, European and NATO security efforts.”

Italy, in December 2005, was the first nation to assign QRA tasks to Eurofighter Typhoon. The United Kingdom followed suit in July 2007 while Germany and Austria began QRA and air surveillance operations with the type in June and July 2008 respectively. Also in July, the Royal Air Force officially declared their XI Squadron Eurofighter Typhoons as multi-role capable on completion of their deployment to the United States for Exercise Green Flag West.

The Air Forces have accumulated over 42,000 in-service flying hours with Eurofighter Typhoon which, when added to the Test Fleet’s contribution of almost 6,000 hours, accounts for almost 50,000 flying hours.


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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon

Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » чет авг 21, 2008 5:02 pm

Британците се опитват да препродадат 88-те си самолета Eurofighter от третия транш на програмата. По такъв начин ще се освободят пари за по-спешни оръжейни проекти. За сега се залага самолетите да се предлагат на Саудитска арабия и Япония.
Интересно дали няма някой да се сети и, че в България могат да се пласират част от бройките... :roll:

MoD to offload fighter to avoid cash crisis
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:00AM BST 21 Aug 2008



Secret negotiations have allegedly been taking place between BAE Systems and Saudi Arabia to double the current order of 72 Eurofighter Typhoons.

The MoD is looking to sell off its third tranche of 88 advanced fighters in order to save money for other major projects as the defence budget is facing an annual shortfall of an estimated £2 billion.

Defence industry sources have also suggested that there is "a real prospect" of two squadrons of about 48 Typhoons potentially being sold to Japan.

India has also been sounded out as an additional market to sell the aircraft with BAE in the running to win a £6 billion contract to replace the country's aging Russian fleet.

The RAF already has 144 Typhoons ordered and the third batch of fighters designed to meet the Soviet threat has long been considered unnecessary by defence planners.

With a significant shortfall in defence spending, that has come under severe pressure with the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the MoD is desperate to cut some major projects.

Under a strict contract signed with the Eurofighter consortium the MoD would face paying huge penalties if it reneged on the 88 aircraft deal that would cost as much as actually buying them.

But the potential Saudi deal would offer the MoD a way out of the contract for Tranche 3 although the Eurofighter consortium has refused to confirm or deny that this is an option.

BAE has already invested £216 million in building the infrastructure for the first batch of 72 Typhoons to be delivered to the Royal Saudi Air Force.

With the Arab country's fleet of F5 Tiger and F15 Eagles fighters retiring soon there will be a significant gap in Saudi air defences especially as tensions with Iran continue.

The negotiations could prove controversial since BAE was investigated by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) over bribery allegations connected to the £43billion al Yamamah arms deal.

But in a boost for the Government, the Law Lords last month ruled that the SFO had been right to call off its investigation into alleged corruption surrounding billions of pounds of British arms contracts with Saudi Arabia.

The MoD said it was "in discussions" with the Eurofighter consortium but "no final decisions have been made on Tranche 3".

"We will not comment on Government-to-Government discussions, even to confirm that discussions are taking place," a spokesman added.

In a statement BAE Systems said: "We are unaware of the MoD holding any discussions with other nations in regards to diverting any Tranche 3 Typhoons."


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Непрочетено мнение от Svetli Georgiev » вт окт 21, 2008 7:42 pm

Евробоеца отива на служба в Азия ...
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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » нед ное 02, 2008 6:44 pm

Започва сертифицирането на Eurofighter за дозареждане във въздуха от танкер Airbus A310MRTT.

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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » съб ное 15, 2008 6:04 pm

Изглежда, че е близо сключеването на сделка с Оман за 24 многоцелеви изтребителя Eurofighter, които трябва да заменят сега използваните Jaguar. Приблизителната стойност на сделката ще е £1.4 млрд. или към 1,75 млрд. евро.

BAE in negotiations with Oman over £1.4bn Eurofighter deal
By Sylvia Pfeifer, Defence Industries Correspondent
Published: November 13 2008 02:00 | Last updated: November 13 2008 02:00


BAE Systems is in talks to sell up to 24 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter aircraft to Oman in a deal worth at least £1.4bn, the Financial Times has learnt.

UK defence sources close to the negotiations said the Gulf state wanted to replace its 24 ageing Jaguar jets with Typhoons within the next four years.

The deal could also lead to -billions of pounds' worth of maintenance and support work for BAE, Europe's largest defence -contractor.

The sources said that BAE had been talking directly to the Omani government about the sale without using external advisers. The group's use of middlemen formed part of an investigation into allegations - always denied by BAE - that bribery was used to secure a deal to sell arms and aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the 1980s.

Another export deal in the Middle East would be a feather in the cap of Ian King, the new BAE chief executive. In a sign of the company's commitment to the region, the board, led by Dick Olver, chairman, has decided to hold its first meeting in the Middle East in the coming weeks.

Any agreement would be structured as a government-to-government contract, similar to last year's deal to sell Typhoons to Saudi Arabia.

A successful deal would help ease budget concerns at the Ministry of Defence, which is committed to buying 88 new Typhoons as part of its membership of the Eurofighter consortium building the aircraft, which also includes Spain, Germany and Italy.

The export of some aircraft to Oman would help avoid the severe financial penalties incurred if the UK cancels any part of its Eurofighter order.

The Omani contract would also help secure crucial manufacturing jobs in the UK at a time of falling employment.

Oman has a close relationship with the UK, which has supplied the sultanate with defence equipment for decades. Its air force also operates American F-16 jets.

Last night, a source close to the MoD warned that the deal was not yet concluded. "The Omanis are looking at what capabilities are available in the market, but may decide this is not the right time for them," the source said.

BAE said: "Oman is a customer with whom we have a long and valued relationship . . . we will continue to support their requirements as and when they arise."


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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » пон юли 20, 2009 6:14 pm

Италианските Eurofighter са поели бойното дежурство над Албания.

Italian Typhoons up in the Albanian Air
17 July 2009


The Eurofighter Typhoon is yet again proving its worth in action as the aircraft has recently been chosen by NATO to protect an area of international air space. In a recent news story it has been announced that the Italian air force has been assigned to protect the air space of Albania, the Atlantic Alliance's newest member. The news was announced by Italian defence ministers and can be found on the Italian Air Force website.

The 'air policing' mission which begins on Friday will also see support from Greece's air force. A statement from the Italian air force explained that "air policing consists of employing interceptor jets, in peace time, to patrol and protect the integrity of a specific air space". Italy has been engaged in air policing Slovenia's air space for NATO since 2007.

The mission over Albania will see Italy employ its Eurofighter Typhoon jets from the 36th Wing operating from the Gioia del Colle air base. The Eurofighter Typhoon has been conceived since the beginning as a multi-role/swing-role platform that meets the operational demands of the air forces of Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom and with its exceptional air capability, is perfectly suited to protect national airspace.

For the full story in Italian, please visit the Aeronautica Militare website. For those of you not able to fully converse in the language, my summary should be sufficient information, and highlights the continued value of the Eurofighter Typhoon to the four nations.


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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » чет юли 23, 2009 12:14 am

Австрийските Eurofighter са налетели 1000 часа. Нещо малко ми се вижда за точно две години експлоатация.

Austrian Air Force’s Eurofighter Typhoon Fleet Reaches 1,000 Flying Hours Milestone
(Source: Eurofighter Typhoon; issued July 21, 2009)


The Eurofighter Typhoons in service with the Air Surveillance Wing of Österreichische Luftstreitkräfte, Austria’s Joint Armed Forces Command, have reached the 1,000 flying hours milestone.

The Überwachungsgeschwader has received 12 aircraft to date and delivery of the remaining 3 is planned during the coming months.

The aircraft are based in Zeltweg, an air base close to the Styrian mountains, that also hosts a Eurofighter ASTA simulator and the most modern maintenance facilities to support the aircraft in service.

The Eurofighter Typhoon is the best and most cost effective defence system available in the six nations that have the aircraft in service (Germany, UK, Spain, Italy, Austria and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) for the protection of nations’ borders, infrastructures, and to ensure the security of the nations’ airspace.

Enzo Casolini, Eurofighter CEO, said: “We are very pleased that the Austrian Air Surveillance Wing has reached this important milestone. The Typhoon is a defence system that is perfectly suited to the air force requirements for air policing, assuring the best fleet effectiveness available in the fighter aircraft arena”.

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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » ср авг 05, 2009 10:26 pm

Подписано е за първата част от последния транш Еврофайтъри. 9 млрд евро за 112 самолета.... или към 80 млн. евро на самолет.

9 Billion Euro Contract for 112 Eurofighter Typhoons Signed
(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued July 31, 2009)


HALLBERGMOOS, Germany --- NETMA (NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency), Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH and EUROJET Turbo GmbH signed today the production contract for a further 112 aircraft, including 241 engines, for the four partner Nations: Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom.

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The latest order, for Tranche 3A, brings to 496 the number of Eurofighter Typhoons ordered by the four partner nations, out of a planned total of 620 aircraft. (Alenia photo)

The Tranche 3 EUR 9 billion contract confirms Eurofighter Typhoon as the best selling defence aircraft on the market with 559 units under production contract, including 15 for Austria and 72 for Saudi Arabia.

Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH CEO Enzo Casolini commented: “This is a major achievement in the Eurofighter programme and serves to reaffirm the importance and the independence of the defence sector of the European industry. The agreement, achieved in conjunction with NETMA and the four Nations involved in the programme, will provide the Air Forces with the best asset available to address their requirements for both air-to-air and air-to-ground roles”.

EUROJET Managing Director Hartmut J. Tenter commented: “This is an outstanding success for the EUROJET programme and a clear signal to the international community endorsing the quality of the product. The EJ200 stands for leading-edge technology, including advanced integrated Health Monitoring to deliver class-leading reliability, maintainability and Through Life Cost—the benchmark of excellence”.

NETMA’s General Manager, Lt. Gen. Antonino Altorio remarked that “the capabilities of Tranche 3 aircraft consolidate the already excellent performances of Tranche 1 and 2 aircraft and will enable the Air Forces to carry out primary air defence in NATO missions as well as maintaining air superiority in theatres of operations and, if necessary, providing support in the air-to-ground role. This contract sets the baseline for consequent contracts for logistic support which is fundamental to keeping fleets available while reducing, significantly, the cost of in-service support”.

Today the Eurofighter programme not only represents the largest European industrial programme, supporting 100,000 jobs in 400 companies across Europe, but it is also the most advanced example of technology within the European industry base. It sets the standard in terms of best value for a new generation defence aircraft programme.

With the production of Eurofighter Typhoon, now being confirmed until well into the next decade, the future of the programme is assured and will maintain and develop the current technological capability in Europe, enhancing future export opportunities and giving the four partner Nations a significant return on their investments. Having already secured two export contracts with Austria in 2003 and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 2007, Eurofighter Typhoon will continue to follow up all export opportunities.

Eurofighter and Eurojet Turbo consortia and their partner Companies are actively pursuing campaigns in Switzerland, India, Japan, Romania, Greece, Turkey and exploring possible opportunities in South Korea, Bulgaria, Croatia and other Nations.
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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » вт сеп 01, 2009 7:34 pm

Немските Eurofighter поемат от днес бойното дежурство над Балтика:

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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » пет сеп 25, 2009 6:00 pm

Доставка на 15-тия и последен Eurofighter за Австрия.

Eurofighter Typhoon Deliveries Completed to the Austrian Air Force
(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued Sept. 24, 2009)


HALLBERGMOOS, Germany --- Eurofighter has delivered the 15th and final aircraft ordered by the Austrian Armed Forces today. The aircraft was rolled out from the EADS Defence & Security Manching assembly line, close to Munich, Germany.

The contract for the supply of 15 Eurofighter aircraft, including weapons and equipment, was signed by Austria and Eurofighter GmbH in July 2003. The contracts also covered simulation equipments, personnel training and logistic support.

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Eurofighter has delivered the 15th and final Typhoon fighter to the Austrian air force, which becomes the first customer to have received its full order. (Austrian Armed Forces)

This logistic support system helped the Austrian Air Force to commence operational air policing missions – the prime task the aircraft were ordered for - just 11 months after delivery of the first Eurofighter on 12 July 2007. Since the first Typhoon entered service, the aircraft have flown more than 1,100 flying hours with the Air Surveillance Wing’s home base in Zeltweg.

With the completion of the deliveries to Austria, five air forces in Europe have the Typhoon in service as the backbone of their fleets to enable interoperability; development of standard operational procedures and mutual logistic support to increase the already high average of fleet efficiency and effectiveness.

Enzo Casolini, Eurofighter CEO, said: “The delivery of the last Eurofighter Typhoon to Austria provides to Austrian Armed Forces the best aerial defence capabilities available in the World, both in operational, cost and fleet effectiveness terms. With this aircraft we are close to the 200th Typhoon being delivered, a target that we hope to reach by the end of this year”.

Bernhard Gerwert, Chairman of the Eurofighter Supervisory Board and CEO of Military Air Systems within EADS Defence & Security, underlined the significance of this achievement: “Following delivery of this Eurofighter today, Austria now has at its disposal the contractually agreed number of high-performance interceptors required to secure its airspace. With the Eurofighter, Austria has fielded a fighter aircraft that will represent the best solution for Austrian air surveillance for many years to come thanks to its outstanding flight performance, sensor capabilities, and its ability to be integrated into data networks.”

(EDITOR’S NOTE: The original contract, signed in 2003, covered 18 aircraft and was valued at about 2 billion euros. The Social Democratic government which took office in late 2006 wanted to cancel it outright, but finally decided to reduce the order to 15 aircraft, which according to a Eurofighter statement at the time reduced total contract value by EUR 370 million. Austria also obtained a reduction in the In-Service Support Contract, increasing its savings to over 400 million euros compared to the original contract.)
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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » чет яну 21, 2010 7:10 pm

Eurofighter събаря!
По време на учение между ВВС на Испания и ВВС на САЩ, двойка испански Eurofighter е нагънала две звена американски F-15. Резултата е бил 7:0... или поне така твърди EADS. :wink:

Typhoon Top Trumps the F-15
(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued Jan. 21, 2010)


During recent exercises, NATO Air Forces carried out several training combat engagements known as DACT, Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training, involving different types of aircraft. In this situation, where the air dominance is a matter, the Eurofighter Typhoons turned out to be the leading air-to-air fighter jets.

Once again, the outstanding performance of the Eurofighter Typhoon was evident in a dogfight simulation. The 111 Squadron of the Spanish Air Force as well as the 493rd Squadron of the U.S. Air Force were deployed for training in Gando Air Base, Gran Canaria. The Spanish Squadron attended the training with a total of six Eurofighter Typhoons. The U.S. Air Force deployed F-15s.

In an interview on the exercise, Major Juan Balesta, the 41-year old Commander of the 111 Squadron stressed that a two-ship formation of Eurofighters involved in a dogfight simulation “against” the F-15s enjoyed full control of the engagement. The Typhoons managed to smash a formation of eight F-15s which had the role of the attacker with the first Eurofighter jet managing to "shoot down" four F-15 fighter jets. The second Eurofighter managed to disable three F-15 jets.

Eventually the pilots were using the Eurofighter Typhoon to full capacity and taking advantage of its enormous capabilities. Trump that.

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Непрочетено мнение от JediMonster » чет яну 21, 2010 11:32 pm

Tozi smeshen samolet nikoga ama nikoga nemoje da pobedi F-15 i to americanski 1 na 1 !!!:) sorry za maimunicata.

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Непрочетено мнение от tu-134 » пет яну 22, 2010 7:29 am

А защо мислиш така? F-15 не е въобще върха на сладоледа...

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Непрочетено мнение от Грозев » пет яну 22, 2010 11:40 am

tu-134 написа:А защо мислиш така? F-15 не е въобще върха на сладоледа...
F-15 може да не е върхът като технология, но определено е върхът като грамотност за използването и разработени и отработени тактики за противодействие на всякакъв противник.
Така, че случая е доста интересен. Или американските пилоти са били някакви зелени новобранци, или испанците са били преродените Ерих Хартман и Гюнтер Рау, или наистина Eurofighter е някаква фантастична машина в близък бой.
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Непрочетено мнение от Iskander_ss » пет яну 22, 2010 5:54 pm

Ако слушаме някой британец Eurofighter-a е "върха на сладоледа" при днешните самолети.
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon

Непрочетено мнение от JediMonster » съб яну 23, 2010 6:02 pm

Eurofighter Typhoon e po slab i to mnogo ot MiG 29 i F16 (po novite modifikacii na dvata samoleta) a da se sravnqva sas F-15, F-18 i Su 27 e smeshno. Negi znam britancite kade go vidqha tozi vrah na sladoleda? Evroboeca e ravnostoen na Gripen i Rafale i samo nqkoi sega da ne pochne ma kakva avionika imal ama kakvi cvetni displei i drugi sharenii i muzichki vav kabinata che tova vaobshte ne e tolkova vajno!:)

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon

Непрочетено мнение от Сашо » съб яну 23, 2010 6:10 pm

Грозев написа:
tu-134 написа:А защо мислиш така? F-15 не е въобще върха на сладоледа...
F-15 може да не е върхът като технология, но определено е върхът като грамотност за използването и разработени и отработени тактики за противодействие на всякакъв противник.
Така, че случая е доста интересен. Или американските пилоти са били някакви зелени новобранци, или испанците са били преродените Ерих Хартман и Гюнтер Рау, или наистина Eurofighter е някаква фантастична машина в близък бой.
F-15 от 48-а ескадрила идваха и в България през 2008 г. И тогава някои майстори с МиГ-29 ги оправиха, със зор де.
А това, че Еврофайтър също ги е оправил - нищо чудно.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon

Непрочетено мнение от tu-134 » съб яну 23, 2010 7:56 pm

JediMonster написа:Eurofighter Typhoon e po slab i to mnogo ot MiG 29 i F16 (po novite modifikacii na dvata samoleta) a da se sravnqva sas F-15, F-18 i Su 27 e smeshno. Negi znam britancite kade go vidqha tozi vrah na sladoleda? Evroboeca e ravnostoen na Gripen i Rafale i samo nqkoi sega da ne pochne ma kakva avionika imal ama kakvi cvetni displei i drugi sharenii i muzichki vav kabinata che tova vaobshte ne e tolkova vajno!:)
А защо си толкова сигурен за това че е "много по слаб"? А кое е важно тогава ако не авионика? Маневреността? В такъв случай дадените от теб самолети са по зле освен може би Су-27. А F/A-18 да не говорим...Друг въпрос е че в един бъдещ конфликт почти всичко ще се решава в далечен въздушен бой където маневреността няма да е от никаква полза а точно авиониката и оръжието ще вършат работа. Май нещо си се заблудил...

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